I downloaded the amember Zend trial version,, uploaded the test.php file,, says I'm good to go. Uploaded the amember folder in binary,, set chmod for the files noted,, ran setup.php,, but it still says those files aren't writable. Doublechecked through my site admin file manager,, yes the perfmissions are set to 777.. Tried 707 and 770 also. I'm stuck,, Ron